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		<title>Comment on Introducing Twilert by Dan</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/11/27/introducing-twilert/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Roger,

Hopefully going to roll-out some added functionality in Jan. I'll keep you updated

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Roger,</p>
<p>Hopefully going to roll-out some added functionality in Jan. I&#8217;ll keep you updated</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing Twilert by Roger, Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/11/27/introducing-twilert/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey dan.  thought you'd like to know that i showed twilert to a couple of clients today and it blew them away.  (i know, some of them need to get online more often :  ).  so - what's next man??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey dan.  thought you&#8217;d like to know that i showed twilert to a couple of clients today and it blew them away.  (i know, some of them need to get online more often :  ).  so - what&#8217;s next man??!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The death of BETA! by FoshizniK! &#187; When Beta Isn&#8217;t Beta</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/12/03/the-death-of-beta/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>FoshizniK! &#187; When Beta Isn&#8217;t Beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] responded to Dan&#8217;s post on the death of beta with a rather lengthy comment, that was more like &#8220;a whole new [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The death of BETA! by Tim C</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/12/03/the-death-of-beta/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I do have a tendency to ramble on and on... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I do have a tendency to ramble on and on&#8230; <img src='http://danleach.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on The death of BETA! by Dan</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/12/03/the-death-of-beta/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's not so much a comment as a new post Tim. Agree with you - I think in a nutshell BETA doesn't mean what it used to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not so much a comment as a new post Tim. Agree with you - I think in a nutshell BETA doesn&#8217;t mean what it used to</p>
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		<title>Comment on The death of BETA! by Tim C</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/12/03/the-death-of-beta/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an actual beta version of a person...
Beta doesn't have so much meaning online as you say. Even when it comes to software, as someone who used the internet before it was fashionable I'm sure you remember spending hours online in the middle of the night downloading a beta-test version of some or other programme over your 56k modem (or your 36.6...).

But back then only beta software was released online to iron out all the bugs, before the x.0 version was released on optical, and people bought it in actual shops.

Then there was the "l337"ness of having a load of software with version numbers like 0.6.0.3 littering your immense two-gig hard drive.

But beta in this sense is surely destined to be one of those words the online community in general hangs on to and changes the meaning of ever so slightly. To me, I agree with your point that a website should never be taken out of beta in the sense that you should constantly be tweaking, changing and updating. But this is the Web 2.0+ way isn't it. 

Now, when I see beta, I relate it more to SaaS, but also to individual websites, in the sense of, "OK guys, we've started building this service or site and we want you to have a play around and iron out all the massive bugs and issues - but we're not going to actively promote the site until it reaches a state we are happy with for the time being." This, if you like, brings you to version 1.0.

From then on, you're saying "here's the full working version of the site" but you are not by any means resting on your laurels and leaving the site to wander out shaky-legged into the world. Of course you'll keep on making updates and tweaking this and that function to make it user-friendly, but you are saying "it actually works", whereas in beta the odd function may mess you around.

Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an actual beta version of a person&#8230;<br />
Beta doesn&#8217;t have so much meaning online as you say. Even when it comes to software, as someone who used the internet before it was fashionable I&#8217;m sure you remember spending hours online in the middle of the night downloading a beta-test version of some or other programme over your 56k modem (or your 36.6&#8230;).</p>
<p>But back then only beta software was released online to iron out all the bugs, before the x.0 version was released on optical, and people bought it in actual shops.</p>
<p>Then there was the &#8220;l337&#8243;ness of having a load of software with version numbers like 0.6.0.3 littering your immense two-gig hard drive.</p>
<p>But beta in this sense is surely destined to be one of those words the online community in general hangs on to and changes the meaning of ever so slightly. To me, I agree with your point that a website should never be taken out of beta in the sense that you should constantly be tweaking, changing and updating. But this is the Web 2.0+ way isn&#8217;t it. </p>
<p>Now, when I see beta, I relate it more to SaaS, but also to individual websites, in the sense of, &#8220;OK guys, we&#8217;ve started building this service or site and we want you to have a play around and iron out all the massive bugs and issues - but we&#8217;re not going to actively promote the site until it reaches a state we are happy with for the time being.&#8221; This, if you like, brings you to version 1.0.</p>
<p>From then on, you&#8217;re saying &#8220;here&#8217;s the full working version of the site&#8221; but you are not by any means resting on your laurels and leaving the site to wander out shaky-legged into the world. Of course you&#8217;ll keep on making updates and tweaking this and that function to make it user-friendly, but you are saying &#8220;it actually works&#8221;, whereas in beta the odd function may mess you around.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing Twilert by Paul Stallard</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/11/27/introducing-twilert/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice app Dan - we are using it in the Berkeley office and like what we see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice app Dan - we are using it in the Berkeley office and like what we see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The death of BETA! by Dan  Thornton</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/12/03/the-death-of-beta/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan  Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much consider myself in permanent Beta, let alone the projects I work on. Particularly with user interaction and engagement, everything should always be done with the long term in mind, otherwise you'll always set yourself up for a disaster at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much consider myself in permanent Beta, let alone the projects I work on. Particularly with user interaction and engagement, everything should always be done with the long term in mind, otherwise you&#8217;ll always set yourself up for a disaster at some point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing Twilert by Dom Pannell</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/11/27/introducing-twilert/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom Pannell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C'mon Dan, who are you kidding? You don't actually work a full hour a day...

Twilert seems to be working - should be useful. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Dan, who are you kidding? You don&#8217;t actually work a full hour a day&#8230;</p>
<p>Twilert seems to be working - should be useful. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing Twilert by Roger, of Uber-Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</title>
		<link>http://danleach.co.uk/2008/11/27/introducing-twilert/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger, of Uber-Online PR Agency, C&#38;M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey dan.  got my first twilert through today.  that rocks mate.  great idea, great service... so simple! love it.  BRAVO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey dan.  got my first twilert through today.  that rocks mate.  great idea, great service&#8230; so simple! love it.  BRAVO!</p>
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